If it's wrong, I've probably said it...
Reservist = 2-way street; Civilian = out of traffic
Published on November 8, 2004 By chiprj In Current Events
So, a few days back, I posted about a Reservist that was being activated and how he was surprised and didn't want to report. You can check it out here - Being A Reservist Is A Two-Way Street.

Well, I found this while surfing around the net - Kaua'i man sues over recall to active duty. Another guy trying to get out of being activated to serve in the Army. But there's a big difference here. and I totally support this man in his effort to fight being activated. Why? Well, this guy is a civilian. And has been for a long time.

It breaks down like this. He enlisted in 1987. He got out in 1991. He chose not to serve in the Reserves or National Guard, so for all intents and purposes he was out. According to standard Army contracts, after he finished his active duty, he was required to serve the remainder of 8 years in the Inactive Ready Reserve. This basically meant that he had the chance of being activated until some time in 1995 (the article reports 96, so maybe he had some delayed entry time at the end of 87 and didn't start his contract until 88), but he had no real requirements other than keep his address updated so that if the Army wanted to recall him, they'd be able to contact him.

What that all means is he's been free and clear of the Army for nearly 8 years now. He's a civilian. And yet, he received notification of the Army's desire to activate him. He's filed a suit to stop this and the Army has delayed his report date while they review the case.

My guess is he'll be let go with no incident once the Army admits this is an error. I mean, he is not under any contract or obligation here. Hopefully, for his sake (and that of his family), this will be resolved quickly.

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on Nov 08, 2004
Yep.... he should be done and have no other commitment to the army. I agree.
on Nov 08, 2004
I saw that article the other day. I hope you're right and they work it all out, but I doubt it will be worked out before he suffers great emotional and financial distress due to the hoops the Army will make him jump through.
on Nov 08, 2004
I saw this, and a similar one. You get the 5 years of IRR after the 8 on your contract is up.
The 8 years on contract applies only to active and reserve time (whether inactive or active) the IRR is always inactive and is what allows you to go back on active duty without going to boot camp again.
Of course it must be within the 5 years of some sort of active service, full-time or reserve. I was out <8 years but got to laugh my way through Army Boot.
on Nov 08, 2004
Yep.... he should be done and have no other commitment to the army. I agree.


I hear ya! Let's hope common sense prevails.

I hope you're right and they work it all out, but I doubt it will be worked out before he suffers great emotional and financial distress due to the hoops the Army will make him jump through.


I hope I'm right, too. And I hope it is quick. I didn't see anything in the article about how to help this man out, but if you see anything posted in the local papers, let me know or post about it. I'd be interested in helping him out, if I could. Hopefully, his lawyer took the case pro bono.
on Nov 08, 2004
I hear ya! Let's hope common sense prevails.


We are talking about the Army though....
on Nov 08, 2004

saw this, and a similar one. You get the 5 years of IRR after the 8 on your contract is up.


Only applies for the no-boot-camp thing. For recall purposes it is 8 years total and thats it. This is just bad record keeping.

on Nov 08, 2004
Only applies for the no-boot-camp thing. For recall purposes it is 8 years total and thats it. This is just bad record keeping


Pheeww! Geez had me nervous....
on Nov 08, 2004
We are talking about the Army though....


This is true. But the light of common sense does shine through at times like this. Sometimes it takes some time, though.

Only applies for the no-boot-camp thing. For recall purposes it is 8 years total and thats it.


That's what I thought, too.

Pheeww! Geez had me nervous....


Yeah, us too... SGT Ho...
on Nov 08, 2004
SGT Ho...


Not funny, not funny at all... you'd be amazed how much pot I could smoke in a matter of minutes!
on Nov 08, 2004
Not funny, not funny at all... you'd be amazed how much pot I could smoke in a matter of minutes!


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! So long as you claim in on your clearance paperwork... I'm sure they would hook you up...
on Nov 08, 2004
Screw the paperwork, it sounds like the perfect time for him to rob a bank/smoke crack rocks/discover his closet homosexuality.

Also, I knew met someone who'd been in a situation like this, and the poor dumb son of a bitch actually went........sigh.
on Nov 08, 2004
Screw the paperwork, it sounds like the perfect time for him to rob a bank/smoke crack rocks/discover his closet homosex


Well, his wife and (fairly) newborn daughter might not appreciate any of those things, but I see what you're saying.
on Nov 09, 2004
I believe, Kerry called this the back door draft.
on Nov 09, 2004
I believe, Kerry called this the back door draft.


I'll agree with calling it that if this guy should have to serve, but I think that will take some really crazy fluke for the Army to be able to force him in. As for the regular Reserves/Guardsmen and the IRR, it's still part of their contract and I think calling it a backdoor draft is just a selective name to make it sound worse than it really is.
on Nov 09, 2004
I believe, Kerry called this the back door draft.


Why, because if you had to serve, you'd be taking it in the rear?
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